On Thu, 22 Dec 2005 12:00:16 -0600, SteveR
Post by SteveR Post by Obwon
On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 14:27:27 -0600, SteveR
Post by SteveR Post by Obwon
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005 11:00:34 -0600, SteveR
Post by SteveR Post by Joseph Welch Post by SteveR Post by Joseph Welch Post by Al Smith
What is the ultimate goal of the terrorists?
-to divide America internally
Usually, the population agrees on everything :)
No, America is a diverse nation of many peoples. However you can't possibly
be arguing that this nation isn't socially and politically polarized in a
way that it hasn't been in decades.
Why is that a bad thing?
OMG, a crooked lobbyist. The end is nigh.
See? Like I told you, you need to read more.
"Abramoff", is merely a symbol for the whole K-Street
program and all the widespread corruption that went
with it; like Mob connections, Murder for hire,
swindling, lying, forgery, drug dealing, ties to
9-11, "Pay-to-Play" politics/legislating. Get the
idea? Obviously thought, these little go-alongs,
appear to be things you don't know about.
Why, you don't even know what makes it all so
dangerous to our democracy, do you? Well, how would
advocating a one party government strike you?
Do you think that elected officials, holding high
national office, should be avocating for one party
government? Do you think that that is dismissable
conduct? If so, pray tell us why?
The electorate gets to make the ultimate decision about one-party rule.
I guess you see nothing wrong with one party rule
Post by SteveR Post by Obwon Post by SteveR Post by Obwon Post by SteveR
The old liberal/left power structure has its back against the wall,
their methods are outdated, their grip on the conduits of information is
no longer. As a result, they've become angry, and very vocal.
Most likely because they see their power ebbing away due to the new
structure, new conduits of information, etc. The left is a dinosaur, and
the democrat party has catered to the left, and the left is the cause of
their present problems.
Solution for dem's? Go further left!
Post by Obwon Post by SteveR
They've become "the man", or "the establishment" they railed against in
the 60's and on, now the "people" are doing to them exactly what they
Like Ralph Reed perhaps?
Or Roy Blunt?
Bit players. I blame that KKK dude, Byrd.
But then, there you go again! Even the detriments
to our society, that racism brings, pales in
comparison to what's been going on in Congress. Too
bad you can't see it, because you don't read, or
perhaps, if you do read, you aren't able to
comprehend what it takes to sustain a democratic gov't.
In which case you should stop posting. Because,
weather you know it or not, you are advocating against
our very own Constitutional form of gov't.
I'm unwilling to accept your contention that lobbying scandals (nothing
new there) are an indication our government has been somehow hijacked.
Corruption is a constant in any administration, in all governments in
place around the globe. When uncovered, it's dealt with, jst as last
decade, the decade before, and so on.
You are not, as you are trying to make it appear,
"unwilling to accept... that lobbying scandals... are
nothing new... or any indication of gov't being
hijacked." In fact, you are merely ignorant of the
massive collection of data. Data that clearly
indicates that something more than just normal corrupt
lobbying is going on. [And no, don't take offense at
being called "ignorant of..." anything, there are
many reasons therefore, and we all; even Einstein,
were born into ignorance, so it's not the pejorative
it may seem, it merely describes a state of being. A
state that exists for many varied reasons, some good
ones as well as some bad ones.]
That said, here's just a wee bit of the data you
need to know to make a more informed decision.
You can then do your own research to find out more, to
more credibly argue that point you just made above.
I'll try to give it to you in small bites.
First there's the PNAC, and it's stated desire for a
"catalysing event", so worthy of note that they can
put into play their plans to dominate the middle east
[to put their objectives briefly].
Second. There's the appointment of PNAC members to
positions of high authority in our gov't.
Third. There's a huge debate over two elections,
which turned out to be very close, and vigorously
fought over, then decided by a U.S.S.C. that
intervenes without interviening [from the rhetoric
used] against it's own "States Rights" ideology.
Fourth. We learn of the "K-Street Project", whose
effects are to not just shut democrates out of the
lobbying offices, but is designed to "push back" and
directs the firms seeking favors, to donate their
money and lend support to various and ancilliary NeoCon
projects. [ Like the "Swiftboat Veterans for Truth",
and other "Position" groups which decidedly aid
Fifth. We come to 9-11, which is substantially the
very kind of "Catalysing event" that the NeoCon PNAC
had hoped for.
Six. There is the uncanny use of 9-11 to invade a
country, without any real proof that it is either a
dangerous base of international terrorism, or in
possession of WMD's or even able to mfg. them, or
manage any program so to do. Not only was the
information false and highly questionable, a lie was
told to buttress it and instill fear.
Okay, are you still able to follow?
Seven. The "skyjackers" were Saudi.
Eight. They were declared to be religious
fundamentalists, but the evidence doesn't support that
view of them. For one thing, Mohammad Atta, the
ringleader, has an American Girlfriend. She is known
to have worked as a prostitute. Atta, she says, is
fond of flashing his huge rolls of money. She
relocates from Sarasota Fla., and Atta finds her
working in a Pizza shop in Venice Fla. She says he
frequents bars and clubs, drinks heavily, and dances.
Hardly the picture you'd have of a religious zealot,
Nine. Atta also visits gaming ships and gambles! He
visits only the gaming ships that were brought by:
1. Jack Abramoff, the GOP/NeoCon superlobbyist.
2. Adam Kidan, the failed "Dial-a-Matress" King and
law license loser, whose stepfather has made a fortune
in the Florida Porn Industry [ in case you might want
to guess where Atta's American girl friend might have
come from, pretty neat coincidence, eh?]
3. Wally Hillard, who has also just purchased the
flight school where Atta and friends are supposedly
training for the 9-11 attacks. Whose private jet is
searched at a Florida airport and 100k of cocaine are
found on it, but who isn't arrested.
[not enough coincidences for you? Wait, it gets
Ten. We come to 9-11 itself and, as if we haven't
seen enough "domestically connected artifacts", we
find even more. During 2001 we find that there were 67
successful questionable aircraft interdictions. [I'm
just using phrasology to keep things as brief as I
can]. Yet, on 9-11 itself, these tried-and-true
proceedures all fail, with four very large Commerical
aircraft, diverted from their flight plans for more
than half an hour, over highly populated and extremely
sensitive facilities, without being effectively
intercepted, even though they are detected and
Eleven. We discover, several artifacts that the media
didn't pick up or relay to the public for our
discussion/inspection/debate. The puzzling crash of
the flight traveling over Pennsylvania, we discover,
actually had a fighter jet circling over it.
Twelve. We learn that, although the supposed
skyjackers, always used their own names while in the
U.S., traveling, renting vehicles, apartments, flight
school training, and flights, their names do not
appear on the passenger lists of the planes they were
supposed to have skyjacked.
Thirteen. We learn that there is no security video
footage of them at the airports or boarding gates where
they supposedly departed that final time.
Fourteen. There's an apparatus in the Pentagons War
Room, where all U.S. commercial flights are monitored.
This means, that where the Boston Tower says they knew
the planes were skyjacked the minute they saw them
depart from their flight plans and their transponders
turned off, the Pentagons own tracking system also
revealed that information to its operators.
Fifteen. There were interceptors available! Two
squadrons at Andrews Airforce Base, and several flying
training missions off the coast of New York City.
These planes, capable of speeds up to 1875 mph, were
never diverted to intercept the "wayward" commercial
aircraft, even inspite of the tremendous danger they
Sixteen. Didn't anyone, from Boston Tower, NORAD, to
the Pentagon War Room, know that Indian Point was in
the flight path of these skyjacked craft? Didn't any
of them consider what it might mean if New York City
and Long Island had to be evactuated? Or... Is it
possible that someone knew that there was no actual
threat that a nuclear power plant would be struck? It
couldn't be guessed, of course, that is something
that would have to be known, or any inattentivenesses
could be envisioned to have had very serious personal
conseqences for such failure. Where as, the actual
targets presented decidedly less in the way of
consequences for anyone, seeing as how they were all
merely dismissed as "regretable, but unavoidable",
That should be enough for you to conclude that there
was more to merely Lobbying for Pay-to-play politics
going on. If not, I can "tighten" things up for you
quite a bit more. But I'll leave it at this, to keep
things brief, but I'll tell you to have a closer look
at the WTC collapse and how it compares with the
collapse of "mechanically destroyed" buildings. Hint:
mechanical failure in a structure produces almost no
dust, while exlposively initiated destructions,
produces many easily discernable artifacts, including
dust aplenty, ejectiles, and the pulverizing
disintergration of building materials.
Hope this is of some help in getting you to start
thinking that this wave of widespread corruption in
gov't, is something more than mere money/power
grabbing of the type that normally ensues in Congress.
Liars share with those they deceive
the desire not to be deceived.